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I miss these guys.

Wait, it’s all Reilly method?

the segment on not burning out is so crucial. stay frequent but healthy! don't feel bad reeling back the frequency from time to time your posts really become your portfolio as well

What I'm getting at is sketch your ideas first then simplify it then refine the art piece while the idea is still fresh in the mind? Refine the piece as soon as possible? Sorry my english is not my first language.

Yikes

I'm a Mexican that never stop me to identify with any movie character that I like ! no matter their race, In my humble experience what makes you relate to one character it's their story no the color of the skin!! It´s a shame what it´s happening in the entreteinment bussines in the US making a priority to show diversity instead of a good story!! This episode was really hard to watch ! I hope you invite artist to talk about art not crazy social justice idiologies!! Also I´m glad that in the comments are more people from different nationalities, races and gender that agrees.

Jeff's approach resonantes with me very much. I have been always wondering about these things and feeling them when I'm drawing. This is what I've been interested in for some years.

Over 30? What about over 50?😅

Great video bro, im getting a lot out of this!

number 3 - with the added proviso of them actually being in the public domain and/or generic art/ aesthetic styles is the line i've decided to draw in the sand. It works for some commercial things i'm doing - in fact the things I am doing literally could not have been done before AI - it would have neither been economically feasible or possible in terms of time before this so its not a case that someone could have hired a designer to do it - that's wouldn't be an option for me or anyone else. The only option would be not to do it. I have no control over whether an in-copyright living artist was used in some very indirect way. But I can't control that and I see literally no way that the output I produce could be tracked for that. Its not a perfectly morally 'clean' position but in terms of having to survive in this new world rather than adopting moral absolutists positions which some people like to in this topic- its one i'm relatively ok with In terms of my own safety the line of out of copyright/ no longer living provides a reasonable buffer (no watertight but the 'entrepreneurial' aspect if to an extent about calculating risk.

hmm.. as i see it, it's something people do instinctively is creating a composition or arranging things so that they are pleasing, compositions are simply a guideline or shortcuts to be able to quickly jump into an arrangement of things that will be interesting because you don't have to think as much about the arrangement. you have your picture which has a bunch of shapes that conforms to a greater shape and that is the composition, marrying shapes together to where it makes some form of sense that is pleasing to the brain in a specific way. what i think composition tries to get at is simply getting a degree of intentionality within a picture, a form of structure within. just like you have music artists of different genres who follow a certain intentionality with their music that uses a framework to express themselves from by what instruments they use and how they arrange them and at what tempo and what subject they use to make music about but it's just merely guidelines to getting an expression out of what they want it to come out as. but the real question is how do you use compositions in painting and do you need them? the quick answer to if you need compositions the answer is no because you will unintentionally do it anyways as you try to arrange things in a pleasing manner or try to create an effect. as how to use compositions is that you can start with a compositional thing first and then add what you want onto the composition and arranging things to that but you can break or add more compositional things as you go along, but you can also just find a composition that could work for what you are doing and later add that form of composition and start arranging the drawing after you've started it. for example you can draw a figure and then think about how you want to frame this figure which i think is pretty standard for how people do things intuitively. but as you play with compositions you will learn how they work and what they achieve through just experiencing it the same way you understand that lighting a face from below gives it a bit of an eerie vibe.

"The world is divided into cheese, and not cheese."

I am just a little bit older than you two guys. When I was growing up in Glasgow I was told to go and get a job so I ended up as a Draughtsman in the shipyards. I could always sketch or draw but that was not one did for a living. Jumping forward decades I bought a sketch pad and pencil and began sketching. I have no formal training, I was a member of a local art group and turned to watercolours (good idea?) My journey has included attending Lightbox, taking a Gumroad with Scott Robertson and other leaning tutorials on line. I watch youtube regularly, I post on Instagram and follow @Stefanmarjoram because I like sketching cars and so does he. I also dabble a bit in Procreate but desire to improve. everyday I learn something new and I love what you three guys do. I might never be a great artist but I just love to draw. Keep up the great work Regards Charlie

Oh I have that book and it is so enlightening!

Values Values Values, easier to learn by drawing. Beginners get easily lost in color

Man...this girl deserves a lot more credit than shes getting in the comments here. She took on a LOT of responsibility to teach two straight white men about diversity. No disrespect to stan and Marshal. I think they did their best. This is clearly not their field of expertise (unlike Jennifer) but the "well have you considered the other aide of things? What about the female gaze? What about how men are affected?" It was not the appropriate argument. This definitely should have been more of a conversation and i really wish that more research was done by stan and Marshal before hand as opposed to leaving it all up to Jennifer. I think a lot of people missed just how much she had to do in this episode. I think you can really see this when she got to the "pls dony call women females" and had a hard time explaining it because she was probably fried mentally and was trying to educate two outisders about something she probably learned about a lifetime ago or just felt most of her life. This shiuld have been a time to listen. But, i think they did the best they could abd they had the best intentions. But i think its really not fair to play devils advocate in this conversation. This was definitely frustrating to listen to. On a positive note: i have likes reading other ppl of colors input in the comments. Ome queer woman of color does not speak for EVERY person of color. So at least we got that?

Loved this, so much information and insights

I don't know if it ties in, but some of the music they used in 'Scent of a Woman' made it feel like I was watching an afternoon Disney special.

I can't draw human figures from imagination even in normal standing pose , despite drawing nude models from references thousands of times , I draw a little bit of anatomy and found it extremely difficult for me to learn it and draw it from imagination, why is that ?? I watch your videos about Kim Jun gi and impressed how he can draw all these scenes just from imagination, while I still have struggle to draw just one figures, or even a hand , or head from different angles from imagination , I tried so many times but a couldn't and still can't do this , where is my problem??

Jeff needs a podcast for sure!!

Jeff is the man dude!!

I'm singing the intro every time😁😁😁

From a historical perspective it's going to be like the birth of Christ. Artwork conceived before the birth of AI will have a special place in the world of art and all art created after AI will have an asterisk next to it.

22:09 Anyone managed to find that Strathmore interview with Saul Bass? This is the 2nd time I've heard Marshall reference it, but I was not able to find it anywhere.

37:13 - Pivoting

I'm 32 and started to draw last year. I spent the first half of my twenties not doing much, which I regret a bit in hindsight. From 25 onward I went to school and became a software engineer. Now I want to be an artist but unsure if it'll become a career change or just a serious hobby. At any rate, I can say that having a decent income from my job and with the discipline that comes with age, it feels like I have the perfect recipe to become a proficient artist.

44:26 - Stan’s AI experiences and projects

I never notice Marshall position himself where window’s line and bookshelf’s line converge. Thats must be intentional.🧐

I just recently found your videos & podcasts and I am SO very thankful. Just a tremendous amount of advice and insight. Thank you both for sharing all these. I now have tons of stuff to listen to while I art for the next month or longer. BTW, the whole mini cooper thing… that’s the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon, also known as the frequency illusion.

I wish the older gentleman had a channel on his own. The kid is rude to him and it really tells me a lot. He seems like o be absorbed into the herd. The other gentleman is so tolerant of it. Actually makes me a bit angry. Respect is a sign of understanding how far you have to go. Rudeness is the duel.

I believe the best solution for us and our livelihood is to build a content-creator worker-cooperative, an artist owned streaming and sharing platform.. if creativity is fully democratized and anyone can make really cool art with just natural language.. would not the most natural solution be to form a corporation everyone equally owns it, where now anyone that wants to be a film maker or game dev or whatever can join and add to an awesome creative ecosystem? Would anybody be interested in starting this with me?

Needs more loomis floating heads and 5 years of studying vilppu.

12:50 As a 2024 update to how teaching is moving more or totally online, the SAT test is no longer paper and pencil it's now only on the computer. And a lot of my past teachers have lectured more online.

How did Marshall get buff and younger?

There will be another season of this amazing podcast we are blessed with?

AI art made me believe in the human soul because I've seen what art looks like without it

Am marine, am artist. Love misery.

i love Reilly method cos it made me to slow down and measure my proportions better....but when it comes to imagination Vilppu, gnass and Huston are way better

dang I miss this show

These artbooks referenced are on internet archive for free

"Lets take the most simplified drawing" Me: Stick figures? "Smiley faces"

Well here we are a year into the future and social media is infested with terrible AI spam .The artist community is gathering its troops and are plentiful in members . The fight back as begun.

To say that Van Gogh was not concerned with drawing is absurd. Draftsmanship was essential to every one of his paintings. The impressionists were all master draftsmen as well.

People who use ai are literally the new andrew tate followers Like their opinion is so wrong but they still believe in it 😭😭😭😭

The problem with AI is that it forces you to translate visual thoughts into verbal thoughts to prompt the image generation. There is something sacred to me about the nonverbal mind, it functions completely differently from the verbal mind, and the act of drawing with your hands is a pure transmission of those visual thoughts into the physically observable realm. I do not see this as human evolution, I see this as the next phase of our fragmentation into lesser beings, collectively grafted onto a larger mesh, in service of something not divine and not good. No large shift in human history was ever inevitable, these things are always composed individual of human decisions, and being part of the herd in these movements is in fact a choice.

📎 can be used as a tuning fork😂

Thank you so much for this podcast, I visited the Getty Center yesterday with friends, and I love this place, I don't know much about arts but I am going to revisit this place next week with my son in spring break. After watching your video, I gained more knowledge about the museum and the arts. Thank you guys!

I love these discussions. Jeff is very energetic and inspiring. I have to be honest, for me the Reilly method is a bit limiting, especially when it comes to figure invention. It is great for copying what's in front of you, but it's heavy emphasis on abstracting everything into flat shapes can be a bit stilting. I take the rhythms ideas of Reilly and combine them with constructive sculptural classic method (like Vilppu's way) for the best of both worlds. BTW, I totally agree with Jeff's take on color: it is far more intuitive than people realize.

Most professional artists say that you shouldn't go to art school anyways. Like Trent kaniuga. He says it's a huge waste of money you could spend like over $100,000 and really not learned that much. He's had people like submit concept art portfolios and after like 4 years of art school they still didn't even know how what to put in their portfolio. And you can learn everything you need to at home through online courses and books for a fraction of the price. I mean The only reason you should go to art school if you're from another country trying to get a Visa. And even then I don't think I would do it getting into that much debt just to get into the US or another country. The US isn't that great like it used to be. The economy is n't all that great anymore. Also the American dream. It's not like what it used to be

Was dinotopia a big selling book or something? Was it a comic book or something because every time i hear the name gurney i hear about this dino book that i never ever heard of.